Talk:Turning Point USA/Archive 2

*'''Delete''' TPAction should have its own page, its hard to say its not notable enough to warrant its own page if some users will not abide deleting a non-relevant company from Turning Point USA's article. Relevant to Charlie Kirk YES, absolutely relevant( it belongs under his section) I see some users thinking that moving it there is white washing TPUSA's article because of some sort of association with TPACTION, but they aren't associated EXCEPT FOR CHARLIE KIRK, and yet again I ask why Charlie Kirk doesnt have his own page? [[User:Eruditess|Eruditess]] ([[User talk:Eruditess|talk]]) 02:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' TPAction should have its own page, its hard to say its not notable enough to warrant its own page if some users will not abide deleting a non-relevant company from Turning Point USA's article. Relevant to Charlie Kirk YES, absolutely relevant( it belongs under his section) I see some users thinking that moving it there is white washing TPUSA's article because of some sort of association with TPACTION, but they aren't associated EXCEPT FOR CHARLIE KIRK, and yet again I ask why Charlie Kirk doesnt have his own page? [[User:Eruditess|Eruditess]] ([[User talk:Eruditess|talk]]) 02:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' Including the fact that Lambert, who together with Kirk both found "students for Trump," pleaded guilty in August 2019 to wire fraud and faces up to 20 years in prison.[https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article233625532.html] By including the actual felony Lambert pled guilty to the sentence would read,

*'''Keep''' Including the fact that Lambert, who together with Kirk both found "students for Trump," pleaded guilty in August 2019 to wire fraud and faces up to 20 years in prison.[https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article233625532.html] By including the actual felony Lambert pled guilty to the sentence would read,

:{{tq|In May 2019, Kirk created a new 501(c)(4) organization, a political action committee intended to target Democrats, called Turning Point Action, which purchased the assets of Students for Trump. Students for Trump had been founded in 2015 at Campbell University in Buies Creek, North Carolina by John Lambert and Ryan Fournier. Lambert left the organization some time after Trump's election, and in August 2019 he pled guilty to: wire fraud,b>u> creating a fake law firm, and posing as an experienced a licensed lawyer. Lambert's fraudb>u> The scam netted him over $46,000, which he will forfeit, and now he faces 20 years in prison. Lambert also faces prison time. After Lambert's arrest in April 2019, Students for Trump distanced themselves from him.}}

:{{tq|In May 2019, Kirk created a new 501(c)(4) organization, a political action committee intended to target Democrats, called Turning Point Action, which purchased the assets of Students for Trump. Students for Trump had been founded in 2015 at Campbell University in Buies Creek, North Carolina by John Lambert and Ryan Fournier. Lambert left the organization some time after Trump's election, and in August 2019 he pled guilty to: wire fraud,u>b> creating a fake law firm, and posing as an experienced a licensed lawyer. Lambert's fraudu>b> The scam netted him over $46,000, which he will forfeit, and now he faces 20 years in prison. Lambert also faces prison time. After Lambert's arrest in April 2019, Students for Trump distanced themselves from him.}}

:it is basic & important information that belongs in the lead. [[User:BetsyRMadison|BetsyRMadison]] ([[User talk:BetsyRMadison|talk]]) 17:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

:it is basic & important information that belongs in the lead. [[User:BetsyRMadison|BetsyRMadison]] ([[User talk:BetsyRMadison|talk]]) 17:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Delete''' It is discouraging that this is even a matter for debate. The article purports to be about Turning Point USA. it is understandable that such an article might have a brief mention of the founder, although ideally this should be a standalone article about the founder with an extremely brief summary in this article and a link to the biography of the founder. I don't know the history but I'm guessing there was a standalone article and it got merged into this article but that's made a hash of things. Much of the section about the founder logically belongs in a bio about the founder but not in a section merely identifying the founder of this particular organization. If someone wants to make an article about turning point action go for it, but it doesn't belong in this article. if someone wants to create a standalone article about Charlie Kirk it logically would include a discussion of turning point action (but would not include the mud smearing about people not connected to turning point action). I see some discussion of compromise positions but those make more sense in the context of what belongs in a standalone article about Charlie Kirk not information that belongs in this article which is about a particular organization.[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 22:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

* '''Delete''' It is discouraging that this is even a matter for debate. The article purports to be about Turning Point USA. it is understandable that such an article might have a brief mention of the founder, although ideally this should be a standalone article about the founder with an extremely brief summary in this article and a link to the biography of the founder. I don't know the history but I'm guessing there was a standalone article and it got merged into this article but that's made a hash of things. Much of the section about the founder logically belongs in a bio about the founder but not in a section merely identifying the founder of this particular organization. If someone wants to make an article about turning point action go for it, but it doesn't belong in this article. if someone wants to create a standalone article about Charlie Kirk it logically would include a discussion of turning point action (but would not include the mud smearing about people not connected to turning point action). I see some discussion of compromise positions but those make more sense in the context of what belongs in a standalone article about Charlie Kirk not information that belongs in this article which is about a particular organization.[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 22:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC)