Draft talk:Kayali (company)

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== Draft ==

{{Ping|Fancy Refrigerator}} Thanks for reviewing this draft and offering helpful feedback. I'd like to address two specific concerns in your comment.

* Regarding "''Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed''": This draft is based on Wikipedia-appropriate and reliable journalistic outlets such as newspapers, magazines, and industry publications. The draft does not include any sources published by the subject. I've tried to use matter-of-fact neutral language and I think almost all of the claims could be verified by multiple reliable sources. I'd like to address any text you consider problematic for being promotional or overly detailed, if you're able to offer more specific feedback or make updates to the draft directly.

* Regarding "''This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established''": I would like to think this draft demonstrates that the company is notable and includes only claims that are easily verifiable. Unless I'm misunderstanding your comment, you are not actually suggesting that the topic is non-notable. Again, I'm happy to address any specific concerns if you're able to offer more specific feedback about the topic's notability or any unverifiable claims.

Thanks for any additional feedback you're able to offer. I saw you also posted an invite to the Teahouse on my user Talk page, so let me know if you'd prefer I seek editor feedback there. I can also ask for help from editors at select WikiProjects, if you think that'd be helpful as well. Thanks! [[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]] ([[User talk:Inkian Jason|talk]]) 20:26, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]]. Hi. The "product" section appears promotional, as though it is solely there to promote this company's products. I suggest you rewrite this sentence: {{tq|Inspired by Mona's Middle Eastern background and influences, the diamond-shaped bottles are a reference to the traditional crystal oud bottles commonly found in the souks in Dubai}} and remove the list of 27 fragrances which you have in the section. [[User:Fancy Refrigerator|Fancy Refrigerator]] ^{([[User talk:Fancy Refrigerator|talk]])} 23:07, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Fancy Refrigerator|Fancy Refrigerator]] Sure! I've removed "Inspired by Mona's Middle Eastern background and influences" and the list of fragrances. Thanks for the suggestion! Please let me know if there are any other changes needed for this draft to be accepted. Thanks! [[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]] ([[User talk:Inkian Jason|talk]]) 12:27, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

{{Ping|Fancy Refrigerator|Theroadislong}} Thanks again for your feedback. With the list of products now removed, I am curious if either of you have any remaining concerns I can address. Unless I am misunderstanding, neither of you have expressed concerns about notability. Please let me know if you have preferred next steps here, otherwise I can try resubmitting for another review. Thanks! [[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]] ([[User talk:Inkian Jason|talk]]) 15:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:{{Done}} Both editors have granted permission to resubmit. [[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]] ([[User talk:Inkian Jason|talk]]) 17:38, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
::permission is NOT required or given by reviewers. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 17:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

== Sources ==

{{Ping|Gheus}} Hello again! Thank you for reviewing this submission. I believe the draft is based on Wikipedia-appropriate sources (none have been deemed inappropriate [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources|here]]) and serves as an appropriate fork of [[Huda Beauty]], [[Huda Kattan]], and [[Mona Kattan]]. All three of these articles mention Kayali, which is no longer part of Huda Beauty, otherwise I would have submitted a request to add a Kayali section to the parent article.

I am hoping you can offer more feedback about which sources you consider problematic. I've used only news and industry publications, all of which are wiki-linked with the exception of ''Glossy'', which is not independently notable but part of ''[[Digiday]]''. The sources go beyond passing mentions and there are even instances of sources focused on individual Kayali products (some of these were removed when the ''Products'' section was trimmed).

Here are some links to just a few helpful sources:

* [https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/consumer/retail/huda-beauty-announces-sale-of-its-fragrance-line-kayali Mona Kattan, General Atlantic Take Over KAYALI As Huda Beauty Sells Ownership], ''Forbes Middle East''
* [https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/leadership/women-leaders/mona-kattan Mona Kattan, CEO And Founder Of KAYALI, On Shifting The Perfume Industry With Self-Love], ''Forbes Middle East''
* [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-17/general-atlantic-buys-into-dubai-based-huda-beauty-s-perfume-arm General Atlantic Buys Into Dubai-Based Huda Beauty’s Perfume Arm], Bloomberg News
* [https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-ae/women-entrepreneur/mona-kattans-kayali-splits-from-huda-beauty/487199 Mona Kattan's Kayalı Splits from Huda Beauty], ''Entrepreneur Middle East''

Can you say which sources are not reliable, not secondary, or not independent of the subject? I'd like to replace any problematic sources and resubmit for review once any concerns are addressed. Thanks! [[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]] ([[User talk:Inkian Jason|talk]]) 19:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

:[https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/consumer/retail/huda-beauty-announces-sale-of-its-fragrance-line-kayali This] is an acquisition news article, [https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/leadership/women-leaders/mona-kattan this] is focused on its CEO, [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-17/general-atlantic-buys-into-dubai-based-huda-beauty-s-perfume-arm this] is another acqusition news article, [https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-ae/women-entrepreneur/mona-kattans-kayali-splits-from-huda-beauty/487199 this] is full of quotes and lacks independent analysis of the company. [[User:Gheus|Gheus]] ([[User talk:Gheus|talk]]) 17:51, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
::If none of the sources are problematic, then I'll look into the possibility of updating the Huda Kattan, Mona Kattan, Huda Beauty, and other related articles appropriately via edit requests. Thanks! [[User:Inkian Jason|Inkian Jason]] ([[User talk:Inkian Jason|talk]]) 16:07, 18 July 2025 (UTC)