Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive201

SMcCandlish has repeatedly trashed a heading of the proposal:

SMcCandlish has repeatedly trashed a heading of the proposal:

He unilaterally changed the heading '''Arguments against adopting the English usage of reputable sources in English Wikipedia''' to '''Arguments against forcing all of English-language Wikipedia to use only the bare, diacritics-free 26 English alphabet letters''' and '''Arguments against removing diacritics'''—none of which are what the proposal is about—and he continues using insulting and slanderous language. I have never before encountered him on Wikipedia, but he is making grossly false, stupid and libelous claims about me. He is insulting other contributors by criticizing their English. [[User:LittleBenW|LittleBen]] ([[User talk:LittleBenW|talk]]) 10:42, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

He unilaterally changed the heading '''Arguments against adopting the English usage of reputable sources in English Wikipedia''' to '''Arguments against forcing all of English-language Wikipedia to use only the bare, diacritics-free 26 English alphabet letters''' and '''Arguments against removing diacritics'''—none of which are what the proposal is about—and he continues using insulting and slanderous language. I have never before encountered him on Wikipedia, but he is making grossly false, stupid and libelous claims about me. He is insulting other contributors by criticizing their English. [[User:LittleBenW|LittleBen]] ([[User talk:LittleBenW|talk]]) 10:42, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

:That just constituted a [[WP:LEGAL|legal threat]] (a claim of [[slander]] and [[libel]]). I raised that issue at [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Legal threat by LittleBenW]] as a matter of process, but user is already blockable for 3RR anyway. — '''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   [[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿¤þ   [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]] 11:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC) It also constituted another [[WP:NPA|personal attack]] (calling me "stupid"), just for the record. PS: observing that every single thing someone said about language was demonstrably wrong, in a ranty post demanding [[WP:Biographies of living persons]] be renamed to [[WP:Biographies of living people]], is not "insulting other contributors by criticizing their English''. [[WP:CIVIL]] is not "WP:ASSKISSING", and we own our own emotions – if someone is "insulted" by it being pointed out that their proposal based on nonsense, that's their problem, and not WP issue of any kind. — '''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   [[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿¤þ   [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]] 12:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

:That just constituted a [[WP:LEGAL|legal threat]] (a claim of [[slander]] and [[libel]]). I raised that issue at [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Legal threat by LittleBenW]] as a matter of process, but user is already blockable for 3RR anyway. — '''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   [[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿¤þ   [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]] 11:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC) It also constituted another [[WP:NPA|personal attack]] (calling me "stupid"), just for the record. PS: observing that every single thing someone said about language was demonstrably wrong, in a ranty post demanding [[WP:Biographies of living persons]] be renamed to [[WP:Biographies of living people]], is not "insulting other contributors by criticizing their English". [[WP:CIVIL]] is not "WP:ASSKISSING", and we own our own emotions – if someone is "insulted" by it being pointed out that their proposal based on nonsense, that's their problem, and not WP issue of any kind. — '''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''   [[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿¤þ   [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]] 12:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

*{{AN3|w}}. The breach of 3RR is clear. However, no one took the trouble to engage the IP in a discussion of the content removal. I have therefore warned the IP on his talk page. In addition, I note that another editor has now supported the IP and removed the same material from the article. It seems like it's time to discuss the content disputee on the article talk page. Indeed, it should have been done before now.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

*{{AN3|w}}. The breach of 3RR is clear. However, no one took the trouble to engage the IP in a discussion of the content removal. I have therefore warned the IP on his talk page. In addition, I note that another editor has now supported the IP and removed the same material from the article. It seems like it's time to discuss the content disputee on the article talk page. Indeed, it should have been done before now.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

*Bbb23, your handling of this incident is faulty on two counts: 1. Somebody DID attempt to engage the IP in a discussion, plus he was given a stop sign warning. He ignored both. 2. Concurrence of another user does NOT excuse ''four consecutive reverts'' of the exact same content. Ever. [[User:Belchfire|'''<tt>Belchfirett>''']]-[[User_talk:Belchfire|'''TALK''']] 05:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

*Bbb23, your handling of this incident is faulty on two counts: 1. Somebody DID attempt to engage the IP in a discussion, plus he was given a stop sign warning. He ignored both. 2. Concurrence of another user does NOT excuse ''four consecutive reverts'' of the exact same content. Ever. [[User:Belchfire|<b style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">Belchfireb>]]-[[User_talk:Belchfire|'''TALK''']] 05:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== [[User:Dara Allarah]] reported by [[User:Dr.K.]] (Result: ) ==

== [[User:Dara Allarah]] reported by [[User:Dr.K.]] (Result: ) ==

Comments:

Comments:

I'm not surprised that Yworo ended up here. It may well be true that I breached 3RR, I'll leave it to the admin who closes this report to determine, and I will accept whatever conclusion they reach -- but this is part of a much wider situation, which I hope that the closing admin will take into consideration.

I'm not surprised that Yworo ended up here. It may well be true that I breached 3RR, I'll leave it to the admin who closes this report to determine, and I will accept whatever conclusion they reach -- but this is part of a much wider situation, which I hope that the closing admin will take into consideration.

*[[User:Yworo]] seems to be incapable of understanding that the MOS is a '''''guideline''''' and not a strict policy that must be followed. He and I (I assume that Yworo is a "he" from his combative attitude) have been in conflict about this on-and-off for a while. (The last time in a flap over [[Flapper]].) The way it goes is this: Yworo goes about whatever it is he does, and then he comes across an edit of mine he disagrees with. He undoes that edit, but that's not enough for Yworo -- he has to delves back into my recent contributions and undo a dozen or so of those edits as well, just (I suppose) to show me who is the boss. These reversions almost always have to do with the formatting of articles (because Yworo doesn't seem to deal in '''''content''''' much at all, as far as I can tell) and always have to do with an ultra-strict interpretation of the MOS guidelines. I, of course, take a much more lenient attitiude towards the guidelines, believing that whatever is best for an article is, well, '''''best for the article'''''. This is, I believe, in the true spirit of Wikipedia, which is exemplified by [[WP:IAR]].

This time, I was determined not to to do what I've done in the past, which is to cowtow to Yworo's bullying and hold back from reverting him. This time, I wanted to make it clear to him that he could not bully other editors as he has done in the past. That may have lead to me pass the brightline, and for that I apologize, and I am willing to take whatever sanction is applied -- but there should also be an understanding that bullies such as Yworo have no legitimate place on Wikipedia, and should be sanctioned for their lack of imagination, authoritarian predilections, and inability to edit collegially and colaborative. (That, of course, is not a demand, simply a statement about how things '''''should''''' work here.) [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 08:15, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

*[[User:Yworo]] seems to be incapable of understanding that the MOS is a '''''guideline''''' and not a strict policy that must be followed. He and I (I assume that Yworo is a "he" from his combative attitude) have been in conflict about this on-and-off for a while. (The last time in a flap over [[Flapper]].) The way it goes is this: Yworo goes about whatever it is he does, and then he comes across an edit of mine he disagrees with. He undoes that edit, but that's not enough for Yworo -- he has to delves back into my recent contributions and undo a dozen or so of those edits as well, just (I suppose) to show me who is the boss. These reversions almost always have to do with the formatting of articles (because Yworo doesn't seem to deal in '''''content''''' much at all, as far as I can tell) and always have to do with an ultra-strict interpretation of the MOS guidelines. I, of course, take a much more lenient attitiude towards the guidelines, believing that whatever is best for an article is, well, '''''best for the article'''''. This is, I believe, in the true spirit of Wikipedia, which is exemplified by [[WP:IAR]].

This time, I was determined not to to do what I've done in the past, which is to cowtow to Yworo's bullying and hold back from reverting him. This time, I wanted to make it clear to him that he could not bully other editors as he has done in the past. That may have lead to me pass the brightline, and for that I apologize, and I am willing to take whatever sanction is applied -- but there should also be an understanding that bullies such as Yworo have no legitimate place on Wikipedia, and should be sanctioned for their lack of imagination, authoritarian predilections, and inability to edit collegially and colaborative. (That, of course, is not a demand, simply a statement about how things '''''should''''' work here.) [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 08:15, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

:I've protected the page. Please take it to talk. There is no deadline, after all. etc etc.

:I've protected the page. Please take it to talk. There is no deadline, after all. etc etc.