Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)

:One challenge in subsequent attempts is sort of considering this to be "this is what you need in order for it to have an article" standard vs. what it actually is which is "this is what you need to bypass GNG". This makes folks too hesitant to set a higher bar in the SNG. So ideas which set a higher bar don't get support from folks who lean inclusionist during drafting, and if the latter have their way you'd end up with something which wouldn't adopted. ''North8000'' ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

:One challenge in subsequent attempts is sort of considering this to be "this is what you need in order for it to have an article" standard vs. what it actually is which is "this is what you need to bypass GNG". This makes folks too hesitant to set a higher bar in the SNG. So ideas which set a higher bar don't get support from folks who lean inclusionist during drafting, and if the latter have their way you'd end up with something which wouldn't adopted. ''North8000'' ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

*I tend to believe that a purpose of an SNG is to set floors of what is acceptable (this means placing a higher floor than GNG). In NSPORT, we have provisions about youth and amateur sportspeople, we have higher expectations about individual games than GNG. To me, this guidance is helpful to editors, and I think we can find a way to [[User:Enos733/NSPORT|rewrite NSPORT]] that makes sense (post NSPORT2022). --[[User:Enos733|Enos733]] ([[User talk:Enos733|talk]]) 15:09, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

*I tend to believe that a purpose of an SNG is to set floors of what is acceptable (this means placing a higher floor than GNG). In NSPORT, we have provisions about youth and amateur sportspeople, we have higher expectations about individual games than GNG. To me, this guidance is helpful to editors, and I think we can find a way to [[User:Enos733/NSPORT|rewrite NSPORT]] that makes sense (post NSPORT2022). --[[User:Enos733|Enos733]] ([[User talk:Enos733|talk]]) 15:09, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

:{{tqq|My guess is that folks would be open to or even welcome development of criteria that are more discerning than the pre 2022 criteria to make nsport usable}}: I disagree. {{slink|Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)/Archive_53#Proposed_amendment_to_basketball_guideline}} demonstrated that anyone who has played 1 game in the [[NBA]] had an existing article that included reliable, significant, independent coverage that satisfied GNG. Yet some opposers blindly rejected it because some blokes might then re-create SNGs incorrectly claiming their neighbourhood footballers and cricketers are notable too for appearing in one match. Still others claimed that proving that 100% of NBA players were notable only showed that it was "easy" to source without needing an SNG. Invest time drafting new sports SNGs at your risk. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 21:26, 26 April 2026 (UTC)