Talk:Eric Swalwell

:::@[[User:MightyLebowski|MightyLebowski]] Let’s keep this kind. There was an earlier discussion about keeping it out of the lead altogether. I’m ready to flip my stance on that given the way this story has developed and I have no objection to putting it in the lead, wherever the consensus leads us to put it. How about moving it from the end of the lead to right after it says “until his resignation in 2026” at the end of the first paragraph? That way it only shows up once. [[User:Firefox0807|Firefox0807]] ([[User talk:Firefox0807|talk]]) 05:32, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

:::@[[User:MightyLebowski|MightyLebowski]] Let’s keep this kind. There was an earlier discussion about keeping it out of the lead altogether. I’m ready to flip my stance on that given the way this story has developed and I have no objection to putting it in the lead, wherever the consensus leads us to put it. How about moving it from the end of the lead to right after it says “until his resignation in 2026” at the end of the first paragraph? That way it only shows up once. [[User:Firefox0807|Firefox0807]] ([[User talk:Firefox0807|talk]]) 05:32, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

:::Your [[WP:SHOUTING]] is unhelpful. [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] existing is not an acceptable point to make in a deletion discussion, nor is it for general article content. If it is redundant in those articles, it should be fixed in those articles. This article's lead is also fairly short and those others may be longer. Mentioning it twice in this lead is [[WP:UNDUE]]. The first paragraph should continue to focus on the most basic of who he is, i.e. someone who served in Congress. The next paragraphs can add the remaining important details, like his presidential run and sex scandals. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 13:56, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

:::Your [[WP:SHOUTING]] is unhelpful. [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] existing is not an acceptable point to make in a deletion discussion, nor is it for general article content. If it is redundant in those articles, it should be fixed in those articles. This article's lead is also fairly short and those others may be longer. Mentioning it twice in this lead is [[WP:UNDUE]]. The first paragraph should continue to focus on the most basic of who he is, i.e. someone who served in Congress. The next paragraphs can add the remaining important details, like his presidential run and sex scandals. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 13:56, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

::::[[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] is about keeping/deleting articles based on the existence of other articles, not making comparisons of Wikipedia policy applied across articles. [[WP:SHOUTING]] is about using caps/bold for entire swaths of text, not a single short sentence. You just took every cited policy out of context, then shifted the goal post to [[WP:UNDUE]] after backtracking on "redundant" (not even a Wikipedia policy). It's perfectly acceptable to compare the placement of controversies in the lead of similar articles, especially when you're making an argument like "redundant" or WP:UNDUE to demote serious allegations of sexual misconduct that led to the immediate resignation of a politician, which is not something commonly done in any other similar [[WP:BLP]] with such extensive coverage. [[User:MightyLebowski|MightyLebowski]] ([[User talk:MightyLebowski|talk]]) 01:01, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

:There were a number of things that seemed redundant in the lead. I've made some changes. Feel free to modify. I think the fact that he served in Congress and was a candidate for the Governor of California is more notable than the fact that he was a presidential candidate (which I originally added to the lead) in 2020 that never polled above 1 percent. Per [[WP:NPOV]], I think it is important that we add that he has denied the allegation.

:There were a number of things that seemed redundant in the lead. I've made some changes. Feel free to modify. I think the fact that he served in Congress and was a candidate for the Governor of California is more notable than the fact that he was a presidential candidate (which I originally added to the lead) in 2020 that never polled above 1 percent. Per [[WP:NPOV]], I think it is important that we add that he has denied the allegation.

:[[User:Wozal|Wozal]] ([[User talk:Wozal|talk]]) 14:37, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

:[[User:Wozal|Wozal]] ([[User talk:Wozal|talk]]) 14:37, 18 April 2026 (UTC)